Sheepdog Training 24 – The dog’s first encounter with sheep

Sheepdog Carew showing good control of her sheep

Taking your dog to sheep for the first time.

When you take your young dog to sheep for the first time, remember he may have a very short attention span – sometimes just a few seconds but more usually a few minutes. The younger the dog, the shorter the attention span will probably be.

If the dog runs around the sheep for a little while and then walks or runs away to do something else (often eating sheep droppings) it’s a fairly reliable sign that he’s tired or bored. Try to get his attention back on the sheep but don’t persist. Better to stop the session for a while – maybe an hour or until the next day.

It’s probably safest for novice handlers to teach the dog to lie down before they take it to the sheep. This does not mean that the dog will lie down at this time – it’s highly unlikely that it will – but at least it’ll understand what the command means. Later, when you’re blocking the dog’s path, holding up your arms and repeating the command, the dog will eventually obey you. It should respond more quickly to ‘lie down’ if it knows what you mean. Some trainers argue that teaching a dog to lie down before you take it to the sheep can teach it to focus its attention on you rather than the sheep. That might happen temporarily but as the dog’s confidence grows, it’ll focus more on the stock. If it doesn’t, there’s a deeper rooted confidence problem that needs to be addressed.

Unexpected behaviour

If you take a novice dog to sheep and simply let him go, he’ll respond to them in one of several ways:

1.   Run straight at the sheep and attack them or split them up.
Despite appearances, this is a really good reaction. It means the dog’s working instinct is strong, and provided we get control of the dog and train it, it’s going to be a really good sheep or cattle dog.

2.   Chase the sheep into a corner then lie down and stare at them.
Once again, this is a good sign. Even though the dog’s not actually moving the sheep, the working instinct is strong. A lack of confidence is causing the dog to lie down and stare at the sheep. It lacks the confidence to take any action and doesn’t know what to do. By keeping the dog and the sheep moving, we can easily build the dog’s confidence, and “sticky” dogs are often easy to train once we get them moving.

3.   Ignore them or even run away.
This is not so good. The dog either has a big confidence problem, or its working instinct is dormant. We have two training tutorial videos which can help you to train a dog like this.

4.   Run out around the sheep and bring them to you!
Sadly this is not the most likely reaction but it does happen from time to time! When it does, you’re very lucky indeed. There’s every chance that your dog will be really easy to train on stock.

Protect the stock from an aggressive dog

If the dog attacks the sheep, of course we must get the situation under control as quickly as possible, to protect the sheep. We do this by bringing the sheep into a circular pen of approximately 16 metres (17.5 yards) diameter. Training the dog inside this pen enables the handler to control the dog much more easily by blocking it (getting between the dog and the sheep, and keeping the dog away from them). The best way to block the dog and keep it away from the sheep is by using a lightweight training stick. The stick is NOT used for striking the dog. Instead, it’s used in such a way that the dog sees it as a deterrent against getting too close to the sheep. We have a video tutorial on correct use of the training stick.

Much of the dog’s initial aggression and excitement around stock is the result of a lack of confidence. If you master the technique of blocking the dog and make it stay back from the sheep, it will soon begin to calm down and proper training can begin.

After a little while, the dog will react according to the way the sheep and handler move. By positioning yourself carefully, you can have a great influence on the dog’s next movement. If you can anticipate which way your dog and the sheep will move and give the appropriate command at the right time, you’ll encourage the dog to move in a certain way when you tell it to. What you should be doing is using the position of your body together with commands to help the dog control the sheep.

Try moving the sheep without a dog

As a novice, you’ll be surprised how your dog moves and even more surprised at the way in which the sheep move. An ideal way to learn how sheep will react to where you put your dog is to drive them yourself. This is only really practical in a fairly confined space but if you’re able to practice driving sheep around (alone) you’ll gain a wealth of valuable experience to help with dog training and especially handling.

A yard or very small paddock is ideal for the task. Once you have the sheep in it, you simply decide where you want the sheep to go and try to drive them there. Not as easy as it sounds I can assure you!

If you don’t have anywhere suitable to practice this, you may be able to help a local farmer when he’s moving his sheep. If not, study every sheepdog video you can, taking careful note of the reaction of the sheep to the dog and handler.

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4 responses to “Sheepdog Training 24 – The dog’s first encounter with sheep”

  1. Hi
    I have 2 yr old Collie and am a newbie myself
    We just started
    My dog is keen but just runs around the sheep, does not drive them to me
    Any tips

    1. Gill Watson avatar
      Gill Watson

      Thanks for your question! The Working Sheepdog Website is nothing BUT tips to help you train your sheepdog. I suggest you watch the preview video (HERE) and then sign up (without obligation) to watch the FREE tutorial “Top Tips for Sheepdog Training”.
      The tutorials are also available on DVD, PAL and NTSC format, but the online tutorials are cheaper, it’s easy to sign up, and the videos are available to you as soon as you subscribe.
      It’s just as easy to cancel your subscription when you’re ready – just log in as usual, and follow the Cancel Payments link on the Welcome screen.
      I hope this helps! Good luck with training your dog. Gill

  2. Hi there,

    I have a seven month old collie who i introduced to sheep for the first time. He Ignore them an ran away. He seem to be frighten of all livestock. He is even frighten of the cattle when I let him go with me to feed them he ran away. I would like to start working him with the sheep but not sure where to start ,as this is the first time I have seen this with one of my working dogs. Please does anyone have any advice.

    1. My first reaction to your comment was to ask myself what the dog has been doing while you were going to the sheep, before now? Rather than “throwing the dog in at the deep end”, it’s best to thoroughly bond with the dog early on, and introduce it to stock gradually if you can. A pup which comes with you while you are feeding or managing sheep or cattle will usually get used to being close to them, and you’ll have a good idea how they’re going to react when the time comes to begin training.

      On the other hand though, if the young puppy is allowed to wander freely around the farm, it’s almost inevitable the dog will get close to the stock, and if one or more of them frighten the young dog, then getting it to work is going to be a lot more difficult. The young dog should be kept away from stock at all times when it’s not closely supervised. If it starts chasing the animals, it’s important avoid getting cross with the young dog because this, too, can “teach” the dog you don’t want it to react to farm animals.

      Now that your dog is already frightened of the stock, it’s going to take a lot of patience to persuade it that being around stock is OK. The best mentor the dog could have in this case, is another dog which confidently works stock. If the youngster is good friends with one of your working dogs, then you might be able to engineer situations where you and the two dogs in question, “happen” to be in the vicinity of the sheep, and you can quietly encourage the working dog to move the sheep around within sight of the youngster.

      If this isn’t successful at first, don’t despair – it will probably take several goes. What is most important is that from now until the dog gets “hooked” on working stock, you don’t put ANY pressure on it at all. If the young dog gets any inkling that you’re trying to force it to be near the stock, it will have the opposite effect to the one you want. Get the dog near by encouragement, not force of any kind.

      If you don’t have another dog – or if using a trained dog isn’t working, you can try getting some sheep (I wouldn’t recommend trying this with cattle, for safety reasons) into a smallish pen, and then, with the dog nearby, YOU move the sheep around. If you’re able to make some excited sounds (whistling, clapping, laughing etc) without frightening the dog, this will also help – and ultimately, if you GRAB a sheep (and let it struggle to get away) this should help a lot. Holding the sheep by a back leg usually encourages it to struggle!

      I strongly recommend you watch our Sheepdog Training Tutorials for a lot more help with this, especially the videos called “Starting a non-starter” (parts 1 and 2). They cover this problem in depth, and are available to subscribers who pay as little as £10.00 per month or £100 per year (British Pounds). It’s also very simple to cancel your payments, once you’ve seen enough.

      Please let us know how you get on with this, and also, let me know if I’ve misunderstood the situation in any way.

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