A dog that doesn’t want to work sheep

Border Collie Sheepdog running away from sheep

How to get a dog to take an interest in working sheep.

A very common problem is getting a dog to take an interest in sheep. We had an email from someone in Norway who has an eighteen month old dog from excellent working lines. Unfortunately, the dog will chase birds, but isn’t interested in working sheep.

Without seeing the dog’s reaction to sheep (if any) it’s difficult to be precise, and this isn’t a precise art anyway. The very nature of dogs means that many will react in different ways, but my (edited) reply is below:

IMPORTANT NOTE:
The advice below is my opinion. There are no hard and fast rules when training any dog. Common sense should prevail at all times.

SAFETY.
It is up to the trainer to pay strict attention to the safety of all involved. That includes themselves, onlookers, dogs and sheep.

Not how to get a dog to take an interest in working sheep! A Y
young sheepdog jumping out of a training enclosure.
Doris came from excellent working lines but whenever we took her to sheep she ran away at the first opportunity.

A lack of confidence

It’s a pity this dog will not work sheep at 18 months of age. If it’s interested in chasing birds though, I think the “hunting” instinct is there. The dog lacks confidence. I do not believe in “Weak” dogs – only dogs which lack confidence and need help to build it up.

With a lot of patience, and some understanding of how to get a reluctant dog to work sheep, it may be possible to get this dog interested. The older the dog gets though, the harder this will be – and the longer it’s likely to take.

You mentioned the possibility of breeding a new puppy from the dog. The pups it produces should be fine, but you could be reproducing the problem. It’s likely that the puppy you keep will be reared in very similar circumstances to its mother. A lot depends on the upbringing of the puppy.

Why dogs show no interest in working sheep

Many things can contribute to a dog’s not wanting to work and I don’t pretend to know all of them. In my experience though, allowing the puppy to wander around (unsupervised) in the presence of sheep is unwise. It gives the sheep the opportunity to threaten, or attack the puppy. It’s one of the most common causes of a dog not wanting to work sheep.

Pups are extremely impressionable and should be kept well away from sheep unless closely supervised. They should be introduced to docile (non-aggressive) sheep that will not do anything to harm the puppy’s confidence. The introduction should, if possible, be an exciting chase for the puppy – so “flighty” sheep are ideal. However, once cornered, even flighty sheep are likely to threaten the dog. For this reason, great care should be taken to ensure help is ALWAYS at hand.

Trigger the dog’s working instinct

To encourage the older dog to work, I recommend putting a few docile sheep into a fairly small pen. Then take the dog in there (on a lead if necessary). Move the sheep around (yourself) while giving the dog as much encouragement as possible. Dogs barking, people clapping hands, shouting encouragement and generally causing excitement will often help.

If this fails to get a reaction from a dog I’m trying to get interested, I will grab a sheep and drag it away from the others. This seems to signal to the dog that the pack leader has “gone in for a kill” and often the dog will join in. TAKE GREAT CARE if you do this (wear thick gloves). I have been accidentally bitten on the hand by a trainee dog once or twice over the years. Never seriously though! Dragging a sheep away can really spark the dog’s instinct but, if the dog joins in and bites the wool of the sheep, whatever you do, do NOT shout at the dog. At this stage, only ENCOURAGE it. You can improve discipline once the dog is “hooked” on working sheep.

It takes time and patience…

If these methods fail to work after one or two attempts, don’t assume the dog will never work. The more often you take it to the sheep in this way, the more it will become familiar with the encounter. As long as you keep creating lots of noise (which doesn’t frighten or worry the dog) and excitement, and making the sheep move (preferably suddenly), you may still get a result. Sudden darting movements by the sheep often “spark” the hunting instinct.

Another factor that can play a major part in causing dogs not to work is discouraging the dog (albeit unconsciously). Lead-walking a puppy around a field of sheep to “familiarise” it with them is a huge mistake. If the puppy wants to get closer to the sheep, and the handler is holding it back, the puppy can get the impression that it SHOULDN’T work. Far better to release the dog and encourage it to chase (use a confined area, so that the situation is under control) and whatever happens, DON’T scold or show ANY disapproval of the dog’s actions at this early stage – only give encouragement.

Don’t be angry with the dog…

If a pup or young dog runs away to the sheep, and the owner is annoyed with the dog when it’s caught, the dog will recognise the anger and assume it’s not allowed to chase sheep.

Many years ago we had a pup who would go into the field to lie down among the sheep! When he was old enough to start training, he didn’t really want to “push” them. The dog clearly regarded the sheep as his friends! He would do an outrun to gather the sheep, but if they preferred to stay where they were, he would just look at me apologetically.

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In giving the advice above, I am assuming that the dog is not attacking the sheep. A small amount of wool pulling can be acceptable in the earliest stages of training, but care must be taken to correct the dog once it shows signs of wanting to work. At this stage it will be able to cope with the pressure of correction. Further information can be obtained by subscribing to our Online Sheepdog Training Tutorials.

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Comments

5 responses to “A dog that doesn’t want to work sheep”

  1. Matthew avatar

    I have an Aussie that has no interest in sheep. She isn’t scared of them and always joins along for feeding and moving the sheep, but only seems interested in herding the riding lawnmower.

    1. You don’t say whether you want the dog to work or not, Matthew, but I will assume you do.
      You also don’t mention whether you’ve tried any of the suggestions discussed in the article. It would be easier for me to help if I knew more.
      Taking a puppy or young dog with you when you feed or move sheep is not a great idea unless you actively encourage the dog to chase the sheep from time to time. If you don’t encourage them, a surprising number of young dogs seem to assume they’re not allowed to take any interest in sheep, so they don’t!
      There are three video tutorials on the subject of dogs which don’t want to work sheep – and how to spark their interest, in our Tutorials Library. “Starting a Non-Starter (Parts 1 and 2)” and “Starting a Reluctant Dog“. (Paid membership is required to watch the videos).

  2. Charlotte avatar
    Charlotte

    Hi Andy, yes sorry I forgot to say, we have tried the techniques in this article and we are very much aware that he lacks confidence and is very nervous of anything around him… he has been seen jumping and running away when “his own shadow crept out of no where!”lol. I found your article helpful in the sense that there is hope for him yet, I think if my other half allows him more time he may come through.
    We have also discovered he seems to be more a ladies dog, and whenever the dog gets confused or worries he runs to me. Which understandably is hugely frustrating for my other half
    Thank you for this wonderful article. I will let ye know how we get on in a year or so.

  3. Charlotte Phelps avatar
    Charlotte Phelps

    We have a dog that appears half interested with the sheep and will occasionally round them up however he has a tendency to cut through the middle or just quite simply sit down and watch the sheep run past him before he runs back to heel… not being asked to, and then refuse to leave or do anything. He is 18months old and we are beginning to wander if we done something wrong and can we fix the problem?

    1. That’s exactly what the article’s about, Charlotte. The dog simply lacks confidence, and it’s not sure what it should be doing.
      You don’t mention whether you’ve tried anything suggested in the article though, so I don’t know whether it was of help to you. There are three video tutorials on the subject of dogs which don’t want to work, in our Tutorials Library. “Starting a Non-Starter (Parts 1 and 2)” and “Starting a Reluctant Dog“. (Paid membership is required to watch the videos).

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